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		<title>By: Chanida</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-155</link>
		<dc:creator>Chanida</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 28 May 2008 18:14:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>sangat banyak  lagi bahasa adala di Indonesia, jaga bahasa Jawa,Sunda,Minangkabu,Buginese , Aceh</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sangat banyak  lagi bahasa adala di Indonesia, jaga bahasa Jawa,Sunda,Minangkabu,Buginese , Aceh</p>
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		<title>By: yonna</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-137</link>
		<dc:creator>yonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Apr 2008 03:18:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Ian
ya hahaha, bener, tergantung siapa lawan bicaranya.

tapi sih Yan, saya pengen Indo maksudnya orang Indo mau menjadikan bahasa Inggris sebagai bahasa nasional kedua. kaya orang Filipin atau Malaysia atau Brunei, meski mereka punya bahasa nasional sendiri tapi kapanpun harus ngomong Inggris mereka siap dan gak gagap gitu. 

bukan artinya kita mengesampingkan bahasa Indo yach, cuma menurut saya gak salah ngomong Inggris untuk sehari2. bahkan di rumah saya suka ngajak ngomong anak pake bahasa Inggris tapi dengan logat Tweety, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc :lol: ampe laki gw heran, nih bini gue modern atau sarap yak?! :mrgreen:

bahkan anak2 kecil sekarang suka bercakap2 dengan bahasa Inggris, kaya misalnya di supermarket tau2 ada anak kecil ngomong ke ibunya &quot;bring it yourself&quot;, &quot;don&#039;t want it!&quot; dll dan ibunya juga membalas dengan berbahasa Inggris juga.

yah just thougt :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Ian<br />
ya hahaha, bener, tergantung siapa lawan bicaranya.</p>
<p>tapi sih Yan, saya pengen Indo maksudnya orang Indo mau menjadikan bahasa Inggris sebagai bahasa nasional kedua. kaya orang Filipin atau Malaysia atau Brunei, meski mereka punya bahasa nasional sendiri tapi kapanpun harus ngomong Inggris mereka siap dan gak gagap gitu. </p>
<p>bukan artinya kita mengesampingkan bahasa Indo yach, cuma menurut saya gak salah ngomong Inggris untuk sehari2. bahkan di rumah saya suka ngajak ngomong anak pake bahasa Inggris tapi dengan logat Tweety, Bugs Bunny, Daffy Duck, etc <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />  ampe laki gw heran, nih bini gue modern atau sarap yak?! <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>bahkan anak2 kecil sekarang suka bercakap2 dengan bahasa Inggris, kaya misalnya di supermarket tau2 ada anak kecil ngomong ke ibunya &#8220;bring it yourself&#8221;, &#8220;don&#8217;t want it!&#8221; dll dan ibunya juga membalas dengan berbahasa Inggris juga.</p>
<p>yah just thougt <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-136</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 20:42:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ rima &amp; yonna:

Jadi ada sesuatu yang bisa dijadikan acuan: waktu, tempat, dan tujuan.
Kalau kita tiap hari dikelilingi orang bule yang cuma bisa bahasa Ingris, berbicara dalam bahasa Indonesia ya pastinya gak nyambung. 

Tapi kalau sesama orang Indonesia aja pake bahasa Inggris meskipun itu di Amerika padahal kosakata bahasa Inggrisnya nggak lebih banyak dari kosakata bahasa Indonesianya, apalagi bau keringatnya aja masih bau keringat orang Indo (gak nyambung sih), kaya&#039; nggak ada waktu lain untuk ngobrol pake bahasa Inggris aja... :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ rima &amp; yonna:</p>
<p>Jadi ada sesuatu yang bisa dijadikan acuan: waktu, tempat, dan tujuan.<br />
Kalau kita tiap hari dikelilingi orang bule yang cuma bisa bahasa Ingris, berbicara dalam bahasa Indonesia ya pastinya gak nyambung. </p>
<p>Tapi kalau sesama orang Indonesia aja pake bahasa Inggris meskipun itu di Amerika padahal kosakata bahasa Inggrisnya nggak lebih banyak dari kosakata bahasa Indonesianya, apalagi bau keringatnya aja masih bau keringat orang Indo (gak nyambung sih), kaya&#8217; nggak ada waktu lain untuk ngobrol pake bahasa Inggris aja&#8230; <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: yonna</title>
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		<dc:creator>yonna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 07:29:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yan, kemana aja kok blm nongol2? lagi pusing ngitungin duit orang ya? :mrgreen:

Hehe, itulah mengapa gue lebih suka rumpi ma bahasa Indo baik di dunia nyata atau di dunia maya dengan temen2 JBRB. Emang, sebaiknya elu berbicara bahasa di mana bahasa tertentu mendominasi percakapan dalam suatu masyarakat. Kaya di kumpul2 keluarga, gue sesekali nimbrung pake bahasa daerah dan gak pake bahasa Indo, emang enak sih kayanya obrolan lebih greget meski saya gak gitu fasih 100%. Pun meski gak fasih, usaha gue sebagai anak muda yang lahir dan besar di Jakarta tapi mau ngomong bahasa daerah, udah cukup menyenangkan para orang2 tua yang salut ma usaha gue itu, mereka meresponnya dengan tawa dan heran &quot;eh ngerti ya?!&quot;

Pun juga, saya lagi belajar bahasa Jawa, atau boso Jowo. Meski bahasa Jawa rumit karena ada aksen per daerahnya. Kaya aksen Semarang ada bedanya ma aksen Jogja gitu juga ma aksen Solo....maksudnya aksen adalah ada beberapa vocab tertentu yang cuma ada di daerah tertentu (seperti yang terjadi dengan bahasa lainnya).

tapi gue juga suka ngomong campur Indo-Inggris, kalo dapet lawan bicara yang kaya gitu, daripada gue ledekin dia kan kasian mending gue ikutin aja cara ngomongnya biar dia gak merasa &quot;beda&quot; sendiri hehehe.

iya, gue gak gengsi kok ngomong dan nulis dalam bahasa indo di beberapa blog. termasuk di blognya Tasa. terserah gue kapan mau ngomong inggris, kapan mau ngomong indo, hehehe. tapi gak salah juga ngomong Inggris itu, yang penting liat sikon dan lawan bicaranya aja. jadi kita tau dan bisa ngira2 kapan harus ngomong indo, kapan ngomong inggris tanpa harus dicap belagu atau emang gak bisa bahasa inggris. dan selebihnya, cuek aja?! salam.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yan, kemana aja kok blm nongol2? lagi pusing ngitungin duit orang ya? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_mrgreen.gif' alt=':mrgreen:' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>Hehe, itulah mengapa gue lebih suka rumpi ma bahasa Indo baik di dunia nyata atau di dunia maya dengan temen2 JBRB. Emang, sebaiknya elu berbicara bahasa di mana bahasa tertentu mendominasi percakapan dalam suatu masyarakat. Kaya di kumpul2 keluarga, gue sesekali nimbrung pake bahasa daerah dan gak pake bahasa Indo, emang enak sih kayanya obrolan lebih greget meski saya gak gitu fasih 100%. Pun meski gak fasih, usaha gue sebagai anak muda yang lahir dan besar di Jakarta tapi mau ngomong bahasa daerah, udah cukup menyenangkan para orang2 tua yang salut ma usaha gue itu, mereka meresponnya dengan tawa dan heran &#8220;eh ngerti ya?!&#8221;</p>
<p>Pun juga, saya lagi belajar bahasa Jawa, atau boso Jowo. Meski bahasa Jawa rumit karena ada aksen per daerahnya. Kaya aksen Semarang ada bedanya ma aksen Jogja gitu juga ma aksen Solo&#8230;.maksudnya aksen adalah ada beberapa vocab tertentu yang cuma ada di daerah tertentu (seperti yang terjadi dengan bahasa lainnya).</p>
<p>tapi gue juga suka ngomong campur Indo-Inggris, kalo dapet lawan bicara yang kaya gitu, daripada gue ledekin dia kan kasian mending gue ikutin aja cara ngomongnya biar dia gak merasa &#8220;beda&#8221; sendiri hehehe.</p>
<p>iya, gue gak gengsi kok ngomong dan nulis dalam bahasa indo di beberapa blog. termasuk di blognya Tasa. terserah gue kapan mau ngomong inggris, kapan mau ngomong indo, hehehe. tapi gak salah juga ngomong Inggris itu, yang penting liat sikon dan lawan bicaranya aja. jadi kita tau dan bisa ngira2 kapan harus ngomong indo, kapan ngomong inggris tanpa harus dicap belagu atau emang gak bisa bahasa inggris. dan selebihnya, cuek aja?! salam.</p>
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		<title>By: rima</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-127</link>
		<dc:creator>rima</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Mar 2008 17:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hi, i saw your comment on yuki&#039;s blog and decided to peek in.

i use english all the time, be it in writing or speaking. i was born in indonesia and raised in indonesia and several other countries, but i prefer speaking english to my family and some of my (english speaking) friends. of course i speak bahasa indonesia to friends who do not speak english, that&#039;s a given, because if i keep speaking english to those who doesn&#039;t understand, they will either think i am an idiot, or i am very belagu. i also speak indonesian to my indonesian husband (he doesn&#039;t speak english very well, he only speaks indonesian, french and his &#039;kampung&#039; dialect - my french sucks)

i use english for these reasons, 
- i find it very easy to express my thoughts in this language
- the more i use it, the better i get
- i find that i do not offend people when i use this language (as opposed to using bahasa indonesia resmi when speaking to older people or pejabats, in which i sometime choose wrong words that is considered not very polite)
- it is, after all, the lingua franca

i try to not belittle other indonesians who do not speak english properly, it is not their mother tongue, so mistakes are normal - expected, even.  
but despite all of the above, i am not ashamed of being indonesian, i still speak it perfectly (not official bahasa indonesia, though, that&#039;s a bit hard) and when i do speak bahasa indonesia, i speak with a normal jakartan accent (yes i am familiar with the cinta laura phenomenon. silly girl, that cinta laura)

the topic of your post is quite interesting and also saddening. i hope that there are not many indonesians who are ashamed of their language or cultural heritage.
cheers!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hi, i saw your comment on yuki&#8217;s blog and decided to peek in.</p>
<p>i use english all the time, be it in writing or speaking. i was born in indonesia and raised in indonesia and several other countries, but i prefer speaking english to my family and some of my (english speaking) friends. of course i speak bahasa indonesia to friends who do not speak english, that&#8217;s a given, because if i keep speaking english to those who doesn&#8217;t understand, they will either think i am an idiot, or i am very belagu. i also speak indonesian to my indonesian husband (he doesn&#8217;t speak english very well, he only speaks indonesian, french and his &#8216;kampung&#8217; dialect &#8211; my french sucks)</p>
<p>i use english for these reasons,<br />
- i find it very easy to express my thoughts in this language<br />
- the more i use it, the better i get<br />
- i find that i do not offend people when i use this language (as opposed to using bahasa indonesia resmi when speaking to older people or pejabats, in which i sometime choose wrong words that is considered not very polite)<br />
- it is, after all, the lingua franca</p>
<p>i try to not belittle other indonesians who do not speak english properly, it is not their mother tongue, so mistakes are normal &#8211; expected, even.<br />
but despite all of the above, i am not ashamed of being indonesian, i still speak it perfectly (not official bahasa indonesia, though, that&#8217;s a bit hard) and when i do speak bahasa indonesia, i speak with a normal jakartan accent (yes i am familiar with the cinta laura phenomenon. silly girl, that cinta laura)</p>
<p>the topic of your post is quite interesting and also saddening. i hope that there are not many indonesians who are ashamed of their language or cultural heritage.<br />
cheers!</p>
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		<title>By: therry</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-118</link>
		<dc:creator>therry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 16:25:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>can&#039;t miss those lempers and lumpias rite!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>can&#8217;t miss those lempers and lumpias rite!</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-116</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 14:09:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>therry:
Your witty comment...hahaha...
&quot;you&#039;d rather see a goldfish hurls&quot; and &quot;at least there are free snacks&quot; hahaha...so true :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>therry:<br />
Your witty comment&#8230;hahaha&#8230;<br />
&#8220;you&#8217;d rather see a goldfish hurls&#8221; and &#8220;at least there are free snacks&#8221; hahaha&#8230;so true <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: therry</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-112</link>
		<dc:creator>therry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:13:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I forgot to add that in addition to the common mentality of Indonesians being more comfortable in following others is that as opposed to that, other well-developed countries like the U.S or Australia are more inclined to be individualists. 

When Indonesians feel proud to have the certain generic look, Americans or Aussies (or other countries you might want to add) always want to be different than the others.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I forgot to add that in addition to the common mentality of Indonesians being more comfortable in following others is that as opposed to that, other well-developed countries like the U.S or Australia are more inclined to be individualists. </p>
<p>When Indonesians feel proud to have the certain generic look, Americans or Aussies (or other countries you might want to add) always want to be different than the others.</p>
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		<title>By: therry</title>
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		<dc:creator>therry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 26 Mar 2008 01:09:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this post talking about Cinta Laura? :D

The common mentality of Indonesians is that they are more comfortable in following others and this can be applied to everything - for example, when the Indonesian media decides that only girls with fair, porcelained-skin are beautiful, those  whitening products have since been on demand. 

When donuts chainstores are opened, everyone all of a sudden include JCo or Krispy Kreme on their daily diet - even though you can get the same glazed-donut taste from the local street cart who sells them for Rp.700/piece. 

So when some idiot like Cinta Laura speaks like a retarded half-cast, people actually follow her too, despite her being so disgusting the moment she opens her mouth you&#039;d rather see a goldfish hurls.

As for the meetings... I personally it&#039;s just an excuse people make to get out of working. It&#039;s much fun debating and blaming other departments rather than being stuck in front of the computer. At least there are free snacks!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this post talking about Cinta Laura? <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':D' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>The common mentality of Indonesians is that they are more comfortable in following others and this can be applied to everything &#8211; for example, when the Indonesian media decides that only girls with fair, porcelained-skin are beautiful, those  whitening products have since been on demand. </p>
<p>When donuts chainstores are opened, everyone all of a sudden include JCo or Krispy Kreme on their daily diet &#8211; even though you can get the same glazed-donut taste from the local street cart who sells them for Rp.700/piece. </p>
<p>So when some idiot like Cinta Laura speaks like a retarded half-cast, people actually follow her too, despite her being so disgusting the moment she opens her mouth you&#8217;d rather see a goldfish hurls.</p>
<p>As for the meetings&#8230; I personally it&#8217;s just an excuse people make to get out of working. It&#8217;s much fun debating and blaming other departments rather than being stuck in front of the computer. At least there are free snacks!</p>
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		<title>By: ian</title>
		<link>http://randomworld.wordpress.com/2008/03/11/fenomena-theres-something-about-us-indonesian/#comment-95</link>
		<dc:creator>ian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Mar 2008 15:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mulia:
I wrote in my disclaimer, I wrote this post in English is for matching Tasa&#039;s article and feelings. Otherwise, I always (or mostly) blog in Indonesian :)</description>
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I wrote in my disclaimer, I wrote this post in English is for matching Tasa&#8217;s article and feelings. Otherwise, I always (or mostly) blog in Indonesian <img src='http://s.wordpress.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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